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Participation, Protection and Patriarchy: An
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[continued]
Notes
[i]
Ritter, Matthew A., Human
Rights: Would you know one if you saw one? A philosophical hearing of
International Rights Talk, California Western International Law Journal, 27 (1997), p. 265
[ii]Bhaktivedanta
Swami, A. C., The Bhagavad-gita
As It Is, Los Angeles, California: Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, 1994,
5.18
[iv]Jyotirmayi’s
paper was presented at the ‘Vaishnavis in ISKCON’ Conference held
in Marina Del Rey, California, on 5
7
December, 1997 and is available throughout the North American ISKCON
Women’s Ministry. I
discuss this same topic in further detail in section four, infra.
[v]Bhaktivedanta
Swami, A. C., Caitanya
Caritamrta, Los Angeles, California: Bhaktivedanta Book Trust,
1994, Adi Lila 7.2.
[vi] Lecture by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, Mayapur, 30,
September 1974.
[vii] A samadhi
is a burial ground for great Vaishnavas. In this case it is the shrine
dedicated to the founder of ISKCON, and is a place of worship and
pilgrimage in India.
[viii] The congregational chanting of the names of God.
[ix]In
his purports to the Srimad
Bhagavatam, 4.9.65
66,
Shrila Prabhupada writes, ‘Formerly this earth was ruled by one
saintly king only. Kings
were trained to become saintly; therefore they had no other concern
than the welfare of the citizens. . . Although it is
misconceived that
formerly the monarchical government was autocratic, from the
description of this verse it appears that not only was King Uttanapada
a rajarsi, but before installing his beloved son Dhruva on the throne
of the empire of the world, he consulted his ministerial officers,
considered the opinion of the public, and also personally examined
Dhruva’s character.’ (Emphasis added.)
[x]I
note here that the interaction of His Holiness Bhakti Tirtha Swami,
and his disciples in the Bhaktivedanta Institute are a wonderful
example of how the relationship between an institution and its members
can work in a positive form.
[xi]
Bhaktivedanta Swami, Bhagavad-gita,
18.65.
[xiii] Bhaktivedanta Swami, A.C., Krishna, Los Angeles,
California: Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, 1994, Vol. 1, p.89
[xiv]There
is a duality in this statement, because we, the members are ISKCON in
a sense, and this duty of care and reciprocation devolves upon us as
well as on our leaders.
[xv]For
the text of these and other United Nations documents on the topic of
human rights see United Nations, Human
Rights: A Compilation of International Instruments, U.N. Document
ST/HR/1/Rev. 1 New York:1978
[xvii]As
a society, ISKCON has failed to define the meaning of the term ‘Vedic.’ To
the extent the term means in line with the purposes or teachings of
the Vedas, ISKCON must more clearly articulate how the Vedas describe
women’s roles. So far,
ISKCON spokespersons have failed to address the plurality of women’s
roles described in our own texts, focusing only on one or two examples
from one or two women’s stories.
Currently, the term has a more common usage as a substitute for
the phrase ‘vaguely historical.’
Women are often told that they cannot lead kirtan or give
Bhagavatam class, for instance, because it would not be considered
proper in ‘Vedic’
terms for them to do so, in spite of examples of women in our own sampradaya
who have done so.
[xviii]Shrila
Prabhupada also mentions many times that men in the current age of
Kali yuga are less intelligent than men in former ages.
Thus, the question of whether the statements about the relative
intelligence of men and women apply at all in this age remains
undecided.
[xix]We
should not entirely dismiss this concept of protection, because women
do have special circumstances that require additional resources.
In particular, women engaged in child rearing have specialised
needs which our entire society ought to participate in satisfying.
[xx]Bhaktivedanta
Swami, Bhagavad-gita, 1.40
[xxi] This is the main management and law forming body of
ISKCON.
[xxii]
On a trip to the ISKCON temple in Bombay in the spring of 1992, I was
informed by one male pujari (priest) that the reason why there were so
few women at the morning programme was that the truly sincere matajis
preferred staying chastely at home to worshipping the Deities in the
temple. I was also instructed not to speak while taking prasadam and
informed that women were not permitted to speak in the prasadam hall.
Thereafter, I took my meals in the temple restaurant.
[xxiii] Oral Presentation by Kausalya Devi Dasi at the ‘Vaishnavis
in ISKCON’ conference, California, 5 –7 December 1997.
[xxiv] Ashram is
the accommodation offered to devotees living and serving at the
temple. The accommodation is separated into male and female quarters
and is usually a facility for unmarried devotees only.
[xxv] Yamin, Alicia Ely, ‘Reflections
on Defining , Understanding, and Measuring Poverty in Terms of
Violations of Economic Social Rights Under International Law’, Georgetown Journal On
Fighting Poverty, 4 (1997), pp. 273, 284
5
[xxvii]
One example for the difficulty of protecting substantive rights in the
absence of participation rights was documented by Amartya Sen in Freedom and Needs, The New Republic, 10
17
January, 1994, p.31.
Sen describes how governments such as India, which are
electoral democracies with a relatively high level of participation
rights have managed to prevent or contain food shortages to a greater
extent than more repressive societies such as Communist China.
[xxviii] A long stick carried by a sannyasi, a senior devotee of the renounced order, commanding high
respect from the community.
[xxix] A raised comfortable seat offered to the teacher
while they give a class from the scriptures. This is usually offered
to senior devotees, namely sannyasis.
[xxx]The
precise form and language of such a policy must, of course, be arrived
at by consensus among the various components of our movement.
This
article is reprinted with permission from ISKCON Communications Journal, Volume 6, Number 1, 1998, pages 31-41.
The journal's address is:
63 Divinity Rd, Oxford, OX4 1LH, UK (E-mail: icj@bbt.se;
Web site: http://www.icj.iskcon.net).
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Participation, Protection and Patriarchy: An
International Model for the Role of Women in ISKCON
Radha
Devi Dasi
[continued]
Notes
[i]
Ritter, Matthew A., Human
Rights: Would you know one if you saw one? A philosophical hearing of
International Rights Talk, California Western International Law Journal, 27 (1997), p. 265
[ii]Bhaktivedanta
Swami, A. C., The Bhagavad-gita
As It Is, Los Angeles, California: Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, 1994,
5.18
[iv]Jyotirmayi’s
paper was presented at the ‘Vaishnavis in ISKCON’ Conference held
in Marina Del Rey, California, on 5
7
December, 1997 and is available throughout the North American ISKCON
Women’s Ministry. I
discuss this same topic in further detail in section four, infra.
[v]Bhaktivedanta
Swami, A. C., Caitanya
Caritamrta, Los Angeles, California: Bhaktivedanta Book Trust,
1994, Adi Lila 7.2.
[vi] Lecture by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, Mayapur, 30,
September 1974.
[vii] A samadhi
is a burial ground for great Vaishnavas. In this case it is the shrine
dedicated to the founder of ISKCON, and is a place of worship and
pilgrimage in India.
[viii] The congregational chanting of the names of God.
[ix]In
his purports to the Srimad
Bhagavatam, 4.9.65
66,
Shrila Prabhupada writes, ‘Formerly this earth was ruled by one
saintly king only. Kings
were trained to become saintly; therefore they had no other concern
than the welfare of the citizens. . . Although it is
misconceived that
formerly the monarchical government was autocratic, from the
description of this verse it appears that not only was King Uttanapada
a rajarsi, but before installing his beloved son Dhruva on the throne
of the empire of the world, he consulted his ministerial officers,
considered the opinion of the public, and also personally examined
Dhruva’s character.’ (Emphasis added.)
[x]I
note here that the interaction of His Holiness Bhakti Tirtha Swami,
and his disciples in the Bhaktivedanta Institute are a wonderful
example of how the relationship between an institution and its members
can work in a positive form.
[xi]
Bhaktivedanta Swami, Bhagavad-gita,
18.65.
[xiii] Bhaktivedanta Swami, A.C., Krishna, Los Angeles,
California: Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, 1994, Vol. 1, p.89
[xiv]There
is a duality in this statement, because we, the members are ISKCON in
a sense, and this duty of care and reciprocation devolves upon us as
well as on our leaders.
[xv]For
the text of these and other United Nations documents on the topic of
human rights see United Nations, Human
Rights: A Compilation of International Instruments, U.N. Document
ST/HR/1/Rev. 1 New York:1978
[xvii]As
a society, ISKCON has failed to define the meaning of the term ‘Vedic.’ To
the extent the term means in line with the purposes or teachings of
the Vedas, ISKCON must more clearly articulate how the Vedas describe
women’s roles. So far,
ISKCON spokespersons have failed to address the plurality of women’s
roles described in our own texts, focusing only on one or two examples
from one or two women’s stories.
Currently, the term has a more common usage as a substitute for
the phrase ‘vaguely historical.’
Women are often told that they cannot lead kirtan or give
Bhagavatam class, for instance, because it would not be considered
proper in ‘Vedic’
terms for them to do so, in spite of examples of women in our own sampradaya
who have done so.
[xviii]Shrila
Prabhupada also mentions many times that men in the current age of
Kali yuga are less intelligent than men in former ages.
Thus, the question of whether the statements about the relative
intelligence of men and women apply at all in this age remains
undecided.
[xix]We
should not entirely dismiss this concept of protection, because women
do have special circumstances that require additional resources.
In particular, women engaged in child rearing have specialised
needs which our entire society ought to participate in satisfying.
[xx]Bhaktivedanta
Swami, Bhagavad-gita, 1.40
[xxi] This is the main management and law forming body of
ISKCON.
[xxii]
On a trip to the ISKCON temple in Bombay in the spring of 1992, I was
informed by one male pujari (priest) that the reason why there were so
few women at the morning programme was that the truly sincere matajis
preferred staying chastely at home to worshipping the Deities in the
temple. I was also instructed not to speak while taking prasadam and
informed that women were not permitted to speak in the prasadam hall.
Thereafter, I took my meals in the temple restaurant.
[xxiii] Oral Presentation by Kausalya Devi Dasi at the ‘Vaishnavis
in ISKCON’ conference, California, 5 –7 December 1997.
[xxiv] Ashram is
the accommodation offered to devotees living and serving at the
temple. The accommodation is separated into male and female quarters
and is usually a facility for unmarried devotees only.
[xxv] Yamin, Alicia Ely, ‘Reflections
on Defining , Understanding, and Measuring Poverty in Terms of
Violations of Economic Social Rights Under International Law’, Georgetown Journal On
Fighting Poverty, 4 (1997), pp. 273, 284
5
[xxvii]
One example for the difficulty of protecting substantive rights in the
absence of participation rights was documented by Amartya Sen in Freedom and Needs, The New Republic, 10
17
January, 1994, p.31.
Sen describes how governments such as India, which are
electoral democracies with a relatively high level of participation
rights have managed to prevent or contain food shortages to a greater
extent than more repressive societies such as Communist China.
[xxviii] A long stick carried by a sannyasi, a senior devotee of the renounced order, commanding high
respect from the community.
[xxix] A raised comfortable seat offered to the teacher
while they give a class from the scriptures. This is usually offered
to senior devotees, namely sannyasis.
[xxx]The
precise form and language of such a policy must, of course, be arrived
at by consensus among the various components of our movement.
This
article is reprinted with permission from ISKCON Communications Journal, Volume 6, Number 1, 1998, pages 31-41.
The journal's address is:
63 Divinity Rd, Oxford, OX4 1LH, UK (E-mail: icj@bbt.se;
Web site: http://www.icj.iskcon.net).
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